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Shifting Demographics

by Robin Brooks on January 11, 2017 at 1:00 am
Chapter: Meeting Demand
└ Tags: comic, keran, zhusen
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  1. Ilmaaate
    Ilmaaate
    January 11, 2017, 1:04 am | # | Reply

    Damn, I forgot how expensive cosmetic changes in mmos are. That’s gotta sting, but I’d say its worth it, given the circumstances

    • Kailaria
      Kailaria
      January 11, 2017, 5:23 am | # | Reply

      To be entirely fair, compared to the costs of transitioning in real life, that character recustomization is nothing and can be very handy in helping cope while the real life changes take their far slower pace. 😉

      Granted, for me, it was the mere fact that I *chose* female avatars *from the get go* that helped guide me to my eventual realization (on top of many other factors, of course), but I just told anyone who questioned the expected “dudely” phrase: “I just prefer staring at a woman’s ass rather than a man’s if I’m gonna be playing them my entire time in the game”.

      I’m sure some trans women have followed Zhusen’s road, here, likely having chosen their assigned gender at birth for their avatar initially to avoid ridicule from parents or peers, and then changing things over when they feel comfortable and start working things out. 🙂

      • Ilmaaate
        Ilmaaate
        January 11, 2017, 8:02 am | # | Reply

        Sure it’s like stubbing your toe compared to amputating an arm, but ten bucks, that’s like, two cafe coffees, or 20 freddo frogs (in my youth. More like 8 nowadays) or like 6 mugs from kmart, or postage and packaging of a parcel under 500g anywhere in Australia, or half a beer in a pub.

      • Ilmaaate
        Ilmaaate
        January 11, 2017, 8:13 am | # | Reply

        I think in Zhusen’s case, she (I’m gonna mess that up at some point. Out of the habit of considering Zhusen as a man, I mean.) didn’t know at the time. Her (That was a close one) character development about becoming more confident might have been what helped her (nailed it) admit it to herself, and have the courage to go public with it. Mind you, it’s an outsiders perspective, and you’re a lot closer to the situation than I am wth your experience (boost).

        • Kailaria
          Kailaria
          January 11, 2017, 2:40 pm | # | Reply

          I didn’t really know, either. I only came out to myself (or hatched out of my egg, as some people call it) about 4.5 years ago, well after I’d stopped playing WoW.

          I was just drawn to playing women avatars. Sure, part of the reasoning was that the men looked too muscled to be a Mage in my opinion, and by the time I started making serious alts like my Enhancement Shaman, I was just used to always selecting “female” in character generators. Fable 2? Girl. Mass Effect? Fem-shep.

          Didn’t know why besides that I thought it was just a simple kink-fantasy, but some of it was that, deeply subconsciously, I wanted to actually *be* a woman IRL to “understand what it’s like”. Started as just wanting a few minutes, maybe an hour or day. But then it grew to wanting it for a month, a few months, and eventually after landing a post-college job and being there for a few months, I knew I *needed* it to be for life.

  2. Cuthbert
    Cuthbert
    January 11, 2017, 1:14 am | # | Reply

    This is beautiful. I knew a transwoman pre and postop from WoW.

    Thank you for making this. I’m glad to see how much trust there is between them all.

  3. Ghostforge
    Ghostforge
    January 11, 2017, 1:23 am | # | Reply

    I just have to ask, how long has this aspect of Zhusen’s character been planned? Was it from the creation of her character, or was it that phenomena where you write an aspect of a character’s personality but only later realize *why* they are like that. I guess I’m asking cuz Zhusen’s apologetic/wants to please everyone way of acting works *way* better thematically imo with the new character design.

    • Russell Brooks
      Robin Brooks
      January 11, 2017, 1:31 am | # | Reply

      As I was drawing Zhusen’s first appearance, the thought struck me and I’ve been keeping it in mind since then, waiting to do the story.

      • Ghostforge
        Ghostforge
        January 11, 2017, 1:41 am | # | Reply

        slow burn idea then, by going through Zhusen’s appearances in the archives by her tag, it’s been a month shy of 2 1/2 years. Well anyway, you’re in good company when it comes to webcomikers with Trans characters in otherwise focused stories.

      • Ailanthus
        Ailanthus
        January 12, 2017, 9:43 pm | # | Reply

        I think by having it as part of her character in your head it comes out more true than if you had just gotten drunk last week and went F it hes a she now. With Zhusen it feels normal. if it had been xmurd I’d look at it as very weak.

        • Trigonometry
          Trigonometry
          January 15, 2017, 7:48 pm | # | Reply

          Very true. I think it’s because you put in all these little details in subconsciously along the way when you know your character from the beginning.

  4. RareBird
    RareBird
    January 11, 2017, 1:24 am | # | Reply

    I’ve read this comic for a long time and I’ve never commented before but I have to comment now.

    Thank you.

    • Russell Brooks
      Robin Brooks
      January 11, 2017, 2:23 am | # | Reply

      Glad to hear you’re enjoying the comic/storyline.

  5. Salivanth
    Salivanth
    January 11, 2017, 2:09 am | # | Reply

    This is amazing. I never picked up on this, but there WAS an interesting thing that happened a while back…

    Six months ago, I wanted to make a D&D character based off Zhusen. But, when I tried, the “inner voice” of that character came out female, so I ended up playing a female character for the first time.

    So, given that my Zhusen character insisted on being female, I’d say that you nailed it. Clearly, subconsciously I realised something was going on.

    • Russell Brooks
      Robin Brooks
      January 11, 2017, 2:25 am | # | Reply

      Looks like we got us a Psionic here.

  6. Berius
    Berius
    January 11, 2017, 2:21 am | # | Reply

    Well done.

  7. ThatGuy
    ThatGuy
    January 11, 2017, 3:11 am | # | Reply

    Thats what i suspected. Glad she cant get this kinda fulfillment at least virtually so soon. And like i said last comic i’m glad she’s realize she’s in a safe guild

  8. Shintar
    Shintar
    January 11, 2017, 3:30 am | # | Reply

    That’s funny, considering I made an alt called Zhusen a couple of months ago and she’s a girl too. Prescience!

  9. Alcarna
    Alcarna
    January 11, 2017, 4:28 am | # | Reply

    Well, HMS Zhuker is (probably!) sunk. At least it was taken out by a cool acceptance torpedo.

  10. It hasn't been fully clarified yet gosh darn it!
    It hasn't been fully clarified yet gosh darn it!
    January 11, 2017, 4:32 am | # | Reply

    She said 10$, which further implies this is modern day real world and not aliens playing in the post apocalypse or something.

  11. Introvertgeek
    Introvertgeek
    January 11, 2017, 5:16 am | # | Reply

    I was hoping Zhusen simply turned out to be a shy girl with a male avatar. Love the character, though (inspired me to start a new, friendly druid). Hope nothing changes regarding the guilds acceptance of her 🙂

    • Introvertgeek
      Introvertgeek
      January 11, 2017, 7:50 am | # | Reply

      … a little bit concerned about Murd’s reaction, tho… :-/

      • Rhamona
        Rhamona
        January 11, 2017, 5:23 pm | # | Reply

        Kids today seem to be more accepting of gender fluidity than previous generations. But, we shall see 🙂

        • RogueTanking
          RogueTanking
          January 12, 2017, 2:11 pm | # | Reply

          Have you ever met kids these days?

          • Rhamona
            Rhamona
            January 12, 2017, 3:11 pm | #

            I have some. So, yeah.

  12. Ademadis
    Ademadis
    January 11, 2017, 5:36 am | # | Reply

    Love this <3

    • Ademadis
      Ademadis
      January 11, 2017, 5:37 am | # | Reply

      ^not sarcastic, contrary to my smirking avatar ;P

      • Ilmaaate
        Ilmaaate
        January 11, 2017, 8:16 am | # | Reply

        Is it a smirk? The mask doesn’t help at all, but it’s looks like a wince from the lower eyelids being brought up. My eyes aren’t all that crash hot, so it’s probably anyone’s guess

        • Ademadis
          Ademadis
          January 16, 2017, 1:28 pm | # | Reply

          Wincing suits my personality more so ima go with that 😉

  13. RobinGreenthumb
    RobinGreenthumb
    January 11, 2017, 10:48 am | # | Reply

    Thank you thank you thank you

    Now excuse me I need to scream at all my Warcraft friends about this in glee

  14. tremor3258
    tremor3258
    January 11, 2017, 10:49 am | # | Reply

    I’m going to get the murderbane avatar, I’m sure, but, seriously: well done.

    Interesting to see where this goes.

    • J
      J
      January 11, 2017, 1:06 pm | # | Reply

      Okay, now, gimme some lotto numbers.

      (Great call on that one.)

      • tremor3258
        tremor3258
        January 11, 2017, 6:06 pm | # | Reply

        I always seem to be murderbane. Not sure what that says about me.

        • Rhamona
          Rhamona
          January 12, 2017, 12:20 am | # | Reply

          Think it’s an algorithm based on your name. I always used to be Lys, then when the avatar options were updated I got Tolvir, been him ever since.

  15. Strish
    Strish
    January 11, 2017, 3:44 pm | # | Reply

    Heh
    Same comment as last page, I know, I just don’t have anything better to type without going into a long text of stuff and other people could prolly do that better than me x)

  16. Lucy
    Lucy
    January 11, 2017, 4:37 pm | # | Reply

    First time commenter, full time fan of this webcomic.

    This reminds me so much of what happened when i first came out to my guild back in WoW that i actually started to cry in happiness.

    So thank you so much, and i cannot wait for more!

  17. Orbe
    Orbe
    January 11, 2017, 4:10 pm | # | Reply

    Huh. I vaguely hecked this page early morning when I woke up to pisss, told myself “Pretty much what I saw coming” and fell asleep again, now that I’m awake I noticed that there as a LOT of comments in for the page and I was expecting a flame war.
    I’m quite proud that it isn’t. Good job commenters.
    Or Good Job Robin for excisin the cancer, if not.

    • Russell Brooks
      Robin Brooks
      January 11, 2017, 4:15 pm | # | Reply

      I haven’t had to remove any comments. I was expecting some trouble after the shit that was stirring up in the last strip’s comments, but none of it to be seen today. /shrug

      • Mari
        Mari
        January 11, 2017, 4:53 pm | # | Reply

        There was no shit stirring in your last strip.. people were being critical of your intent. They were worried you were simply putting in a token, no one expressed hate against transgender individuals.

        If you tackle this right, you’ll be applauded; if you don’t, you’ll be criticized. And then if you try to tackle something serious that has been done poorly, or looks like it could be done for giggles, you’ll get questioned on it.

        • Mari
          Mari
          January 11, 2017, 4:54 pm | # | Reply

          I’ll admit.. i wish i didn’t get Murd for that comment…

        • Russell Brooks
          Robin Brooks
          January 11, 2017, 5:01 pm | # | Reply

          Like I said, I haven’t removed any comments. No one was being a complete horse’s ass, but there was definitely some sentiment against this story being done at all, regardless of potential quality.

          And I certainly hope/aim to do it right. No one is more preoccupied with that than I am.

          • Mari
            Mari
            January 11, 2017, 5:21 pm | #

            Then i don’t think anybody will have a problem with the story.
            It’s not tokenism if it’s done right, tastefully and without preaching. And you’d be surprised at how many people are willing to read ‘n enjoy a story that may be outside their comfort zone if it’s done right.

            So good luck to ya 🙂

  18. Rhamona
    Rhamona
    January 11, 2017, 5:26 pm | # | Reply

    This strip reminds me yet again why I love Keran.

  19. Jonn
    Jonn
    January 11, 2017, 7:03 pm | # | Reply

    I found your comic on a long train journey just over a year ago and though I’ve been hooked have never felt the need to comment til now. When I saw how many comments there were I thought there would definitely be some shit slinging (as there was when QC introduced a transplants character), I’m pleasantly surprised there isn’t. You’re awesome and so are your fans 🙂

    • Jonn
      Jonn
      January 11, 2017, 7:17 pm | # | Reply

      Also, now the downcast “cool guy” comment a little while ago makes sense now 🙂

    • Orbe
      Orbe
      January 11, 2017, 11:55 pm | # | Reply

      Wait. Transplants? I hope that doesn’t mean “plant” or something…

      • Jonn
        Jonn
        January 12, 2017, 7:35 pm | # | Reply

        My phone is a POS and likes to add letters every so often without me noticing. That should have read “transfer”

        • Jonn
          Jonn
          January 12, 2017, 7:37 pm | # | Reply

          Oh fml, “trans”, it should have read “trans” both times.

  20. Taarax
    Taarax
    January 12, 2017, 12:04 am | # | Reply

    Damn, all the comments are positive. I was hoping to say “Get over it shitters” at least 10 times!

    • Jess J
      Jess J
      November 6, 2021, 10:06 am | # | Reply

      You often come across as a troll and a jackass in these comments, but I see you are attempting to use your powers for good ^_^

  21. AlexHurlbut
    AlexHurlbut
    January 12, 2017, 1:13 pm | # | Reply

    Considering her attitude in the previous strips, I always thought she had a feminine personality. A guy can be both masculine and feminine 🙂

  22. Tohshi
    Tohshi
    January 13, 2017, 1:08 am | # | Reply

    Thanks for this it warmed my day. I have been reading for a while now and it is nice to see representation. I am trans myself and I always have a special place in my heart for webcomics that have trans characters.

    I hope that the rest of the guild is as accepting as Keran but I have a feeling that there wouldn’t be drama if it was as such.

  23. Ramble
    Ramble
    January 13, 2017, 12:07 pm | # | Reply

    Nicely done Robin. Going to have to reread the comics now, with Zhusen’s revelation in mind.
    P.S. Holy crap just realised how feminine her name is

  24. Taiine
    Taiine
    January 13, 2017, 4:00 pm | # | Reply

    I use to have a friend that was having a very hard time transing from a woman to a man. We tried to support him but the amount of bullying he got in school once it was spread by another former ‘friend’, teachers being supportive yet not… He eventually committed suicide not able to take the pressure from school and from his own parents.. So thank you for this. Now I need to go.. someone is cutting onions here.

  25. Quicksanders
    Quicksanders
    January 13, 2017, 6:12 pm | # | Reply

    Zhusen is still my fave

  26. Worldhopper
    Worldhopper
    January 13, 2017, 8:13 pm | # | Reply

    Oh my God, thank you!! The previous strip, I thought for a moment “aw wouldn’t it be cool if she were a trans girl” but never thought you’d actually do it!
    One of my close friends in my guild came out as trans last year and this rings so true. Zhusen was already one of my faves; this just cements her in first.

  27. Claus
    Claus
    January 14, 2017, 6:04 pm | # | Reply

    I won’t lie, I am a bit confused as to why so many webcomics are adding transgender characters. Regardless, as long as Zhusen still stays the ever lovable and kind healer that we know, I couldn’t give a rat’s behind on what gender they are.

  28. Varkas
    Varkas
    January 15, 2017, 11:10 am | # | Reply

    ::eyes tear up, hugs Zhusen:: You are awesome and this is one of the rare instances I’ve read where a trans character doesn’t seem forced. Well done!

  29. KageNoYoko
    KageNoYoko
    January 16, 2017, 1:50 pm | # | Reply

    I’m honestly pretty happy to see this come up in your story. Considering a few other trans comics that I’ve read which have either ended or been discontinued (Venus envy… blarg I can’t remember the other one…) and the fact this started off as such a lighthearted series that quickly turned a bit more serious as you focused on more mature subjects that come up in online gaming, it’s nice to be able to touch on subjects that some people might consider difficult or a bit too sensitive to bring up.

    it was hard to say with the last comic whether zhusen had just been a woman the entire time, but was too afraid to admit it to the guild for fear of judgement (something that does happen online, I was part of a guild with that exact situation for a time, or if zhusen realized (or knew the entire time) that she was trans thanks to a few hints you’ve sprinkled around, but considering the day and age we live in it’s nice to be able to talk about things like this, which are serious problems in modern society.

    I really wish there was a way to change the way the world reacted to this kind of thing, and make more people feel comfortable enough to be able to admit to who they truly are.

  30. Kaiyalai
    Kaiyalai
    October 14, 2021, 9:05 am | # | Reply

    So this comic, today — whoops I forgot to hit Post Comment after writing this, make that yesterday, — is my introduction to Experience Boost, and while it looks like it’s based more on WoW than on any MMO I’ve played… think I gotta carve out some time for an archive binge soon.

    • Jess J
      Jess J
      November 6, 2021, 10:52 am | # | Reply

      110% worth your time. I started bingeing it maybe a month or so ago and have made it this far, do not regret.

      Love for my enby siblings!

  31. Naomia
    Naomia
    January 15, 2022, 10:08 pm | # | Reply

    The foreshadowing in this comic is superb!

    I wonder if Robin knew it back when this comic came out.

    • Robin Brooks
      Robin Brooks
      January 16, 2022, 11:31 am | # | Reply

      She did not.

  32. Moonie
    Moonie
    December 31, 2023, 4:36 pm | # | Reply

    My gender is also constantly a work in progress. hard relate there

  33. New Reader #34
    New Reader #34
    January 24, 2024, 8:58 pm | # | Reply

    Huh. Good for her! 🙂
    :insert trans flag emoji here:

  34. Lexi
    Lexi
    February 2, 2024, 1:48 am | # | Reply

    Never commented before, but I just had to mention how hard I smile every time I get to this point in a reread! It makes me so happy!!!

  35. Starfish
    Starfish
    February 2, 2024, 3:08 pm | # | Reply

    fucking weeping ️‍⚧️

  36. Taigan
    Taigan
    February 21, 2024, 2:30 pm | # | Reply

    Reread this series *multiple* times and I just have one thing to say about this particular strip.

    Panel 3 makes it sound like Zhusen is simultaneously transitioning IRL? That seems weird to me. In my own case, and others I’ve read online, we transition our online personas months or years before trying it IRL. Either to experiment and see if we’re comfortable with it, or just because it feels safer. Obviously I’m not gonna tell Robin she’s writing trans people wrong () but it just strikes me as odd.

    • Taigan
      Taigan
      February 21, 2024, 2:38 pm | # | Reply

      The “()” above was supposed to contain a sweat drop smiley, but apparently those don’t work here.

    • Robin Brooks
      Robin Brooks
      February 21, 2024, 2:53 pm | # | Reply

      It is a very common thing for people to transition online or play their new gender in games before transitioning in real life.

      At the time, I definitely wrote this story as an outsider, but as it happens, when I did finally start transitioning myself, I kept my online life male presenting in almost every respect until I had been on HRT for around 6 months.

      I had support from my spouse and felt safe transitioning and trying things at home, but I was absolutely terrified of coming out in most places because my online persona was very publicly me. My actual name was all over my social media presence, this site, everything. I wanted to keep a tight lid on my being trans until I felt ready to be out basically everywhere.

      And now, retroactively, this is also true for Zhusen.

      • Robin Brooks
        Robin Brooks
        February 21, 2024, 2:55 pm | # | Reply

        Also, as a side note, relating to being trans and playing MMOs: I’m playing WoW again lately, and being able to just go to the in-game barbershop and change all my characters to female without paying real actual money is so so good.

    • Biróg
      Biróg
      April 15, 2024, 11:56 pm | # | Reply

      I came out in one place online before I started HRT a month later, then I waited 9 months to come out IRL and other online spaces. The one space was kind of where I started, and I needed somewhere to be me after admitting things. I didn’t want to come out IRL until I had some changes well under way. I didn’t want have most people know and be watching the slow transition of things, I wanted there to be a sharp difference when I came out and stopped hiding the changes.

      Everyone is going handle these things their own way.

      Glad to finally be reading this comic. Robin’s early coming out and transition comics were very important to me when I was figuring myself out. Honestly one of the 4 major things that helped me get my egg finally cracked (Two were a trans friend wielding Thirsty Sword Lesbians, and the other being Unknown Number).

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